Comments on: The (Sour) Grapes of (Clinton’s) Wrath http://www.punditguy.com/the-sour-grapes-of-clintons-wrath/ Sun, 21 Mar 2010 11:19:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Jon http://www.punditguy.com/the-sour-grapes-of-clintons-wrath/comment-page-1/#comment-1692 Jon Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:16:57 +0000 http://www.punditguy.com/index.php/2008/03/21/the-sour-grapes-of-clintons-wrath/#comment-1692 Richardson is the one who should be ashamed of himself. Pure disappointment in Richardson. The Clintons made his political career and as he felt the tide was turning for Obama he ditched his old friends. What does that say about his character? I think he's always been in it for the VP spot. He alluded to this (as Clinton’s VP) during the debates when Hillary was leading in the polls. I think Hillary has been treated so unfairly by party insiders and the media that it has really turned me off of the Democratic Party. If Obama gets the nomination I, as well as many others that I talk to, will vote for Sen. McCain in the fall. I am so sick of supporting an ever-losing party. The Democrats have mastered the art of losing. There is no way that Obama can win the general...he's just too liberal (the most liberal senator actually.) Imagine if there is an international incident and he is standing there beside John McCain. It is just too one-sided. Obama is also fatally flawed because of the reverend issue. I don't fault Obama for something his reverend said but the image of that hateful speech while the congregation went nuts plays right into the fears that white Americans privately have. What a mess. Richardson is the one who should be ashamed of himself. Pure disappointment in Richardson. The Clintons made his political career and as he felt the tide was turning for Obama he ditched his old friends. What does that say about his character? I think he’s always been in it for the VP spot. He alluded to this (as Clinton’s VP) during the debates when Hillary was leading in the polls. I think Hillary has been treated so unfairly by party insiders and the media that it has really turned me off of the Democratic Party. If Obama gets the nomination I, as well as many others that I talk to, will vote for Sen. McCain in the fall. I am so sick of supporting an ever-losing party. The Democrats have mastered the art of losing. There is no way that Obama can win the general…he’s just too liberal (the most liberal senator actually.) Imagine if there is an international incident and he is standing there beside John McCain. It is just too one-sided. Obama is also fatally flawed because of the reverend issue. I don’t fault Obama for something his reverend said but the image of that hateful speech while the congregation went nuts plays right into the fears that white Americans privately have. What a mess.

]]> By: Gayle in Oregon http://www.punditguy.com/the-sour-grapes-of-clintons-wrath/comment-page-1/#comment-1688 Gayle in Oregon Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:11:03 +0000 http://www.punditguy.com/index.php/2008/03/21/the-sour-grapes-of-clintons-wrath/#comment-1688 In the lowest circle of Hell and closest to Satan in Dante's Inferno, a great, great world classic, are the betrayors. Richardson has joined them. He should be critisized. A person's character in the end is more important than a percieved political advantage. He owess everything he has to the Clintons. Now his weak and self serving character is outed like Obama and his hater, 20 year pastor relationship. Its also too late to have much effect. He was too cowardly to make this announcement sooner. I am very, very dissappointed with Richardson who I used to admire, but no longer. I am 59, and a successful business person and parent. I have great friendships and loyal friends and associations. Also, I been betrayed by weak and self serving people in all arenas. Their own weakness usually takes them down in the final analysis. In the lowest circle of Hell and closest to Satan in Dante’s Inferno, a great, great world classic, are the betrayors. Richardson has joined them.

He should be critisized. A person’s character in the end is more important than a percieved political advantage. He owess everything he has to the Clintons. Now his weak and self serving character is outed like Obama and his hater, 20 year pastor relationship. Its also too late to have much effect. He was too cowardly to make this announcement sooner. I am very, very dissappointed with Richardson who I used to admire, but no longer.

I am 59, and a successful business person and parent. I have great friendships and loyal friends and associations. Also, I been betrayed by weak and self serving people in all arenas. Their own weakness usually takes them down in the final analysis.

]]> By: Gary http://www.punditguy.com/the-sour-grapes-of-clintons-wrath/comment-page-1/#comment-1687 Gary Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:39:14 +0000 http://www.punditguy.com/index.php/2008/03/21/the-sour-grapes-of-clintons-wrath/#comment-1687 Someone please tell James that country comes first, then democratic party and then loyalty to Clintons who are bent on ruining the first two. Someone please tell James that country comes first, then democratic party and then loyalty to Clintons who are bent on ruining the first two.

]]> By: theduke http://www.punditguy.com/the-sour-grapes-of-clintons-wrath/comment-page-1/#comment-1689 theduke Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:08:30 +0000 http://www.punditguy.com/index.php/2008/03/21/the-sour-grapes-of-clintons-wrath/#comment-1689 If Richardson is Judas in this scenario, is Hillary the Messiah? Typical Clintonian gutter politics. Limbaugh has said that Obama may win the nomination, but Hillary will be the candidate. At first I thought he was right, but now I see that the more people like Richardson who jump ship, the harder it will be for the Clintons to steal the thing. If Richardson is Judas in this scenario, is Hillary the Messiah?

Typical Clintonian gutter politics. Limbaugh has said that Obama may win the nomination, but Hillary will be the candidate. At first I thought he was right, but now I see that the more people like Richardson who jump ship, the harder it will be for the Clintons to steal the thing.

]]> By: Gail Mountain http://www.punditguy.com/the-sour-grapes-of-clintons-wrath/comment-page-1/#comment-1690 Gail Mountain Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:27:44 +0000 http://www.punditguy.com/index.php/2008/03/21/the-sour-grapes-of-clintons-wrath/#comment-1690 Amazing how many love to leave the important details out of their commentary. Like, Richardson was quite clear that he believed Super Delegates should vote the way of their constituents and then turned around and did the opposite. And, please, do not tell me that New Mexico was a small win for Senator Clinton, a win is a win -- quite plain and simple. Then, his reasoning is that Obama is a (and I paraphrase) very special person, although he doesn't know why. There's a reason Richardson was an embarrassing candidate for President. And he's now confirmed that he's just an embarrassing person. As for Carville, a clear example of how we demand the truth of those who are politicians and who work with and for politicians and then condemn them for speaking their own truth. Go Hillary, I say. Amazing how many love to leave the important details out of their commentary. Like, Richardson was quite clear that he believed Super Delegates should vote the way of their constituents and then turned around and did the opposite. And, please, do not tell me that New Mexico was a small win for Senator Clinton, a win is a win — quite plain and simple. Then, his reasoning is that Obama is a (and I paraphrase) very special person, although he doesn’t know why. There’s a reason Richardson was an embarrassing candidate for President. And he’s now confirmed that he’s just an embarrassing person. As for Carville, a clear example of how we demand the truth of those who are politicians and who work with and for politicians and then condemn them for speaking their own truth. Go Hillary, I say.

]]> By: Trillium http://www.punditguy.com/the-sour-grapes-of-clintons-wrath/comment-page-1/#comment-1691 Trillium Sat, 22 Mar 2008 12:24:26 +0000 http://www.punditguy.com/index.php/2008/03/21/the-sour-grapes-of-clintons-wrath/#comment-1691 This really caught my attention too. I think it is one more piece of evidence that the Hillary campaign sees everything in purely instrumental terms. They don't really respect colleagues, or states, or voters as being intrinsically worthy of respect. Instead, they are treated as great and wonderful if they are currently voting for or supporting the campaign, and if they don't they are trash or trivial. Michigan and Florida voters, for example, were treated as irrelevant until it looked like they might be strategically useful, and now Hillary is supposedly filled with concern for them. Given this general HRC campaign attitude it is not surprising to me how many former supporters of the Clintons are abandoning them. in the absence of a true human bond and connection, loyalty is meaningless or makes you a sucker. Bill R seems like a decent human being who really struggled with his decision because of (what he views as) his genuine friendship with the Clintons. Obama also seems like a decent human being who has really struggled with the political fallout caused by his relationship with family friend Wright -- but chose not to throw him under the bus. I respect both of them, without necessarily admiring either Bill R's friends the Clintons or Obama's friend and pastor Wright. (By the way, if you look at the whole sermon from which the "chickens come him" comment is clipped it turns out Wright is actually QUOTING someone else -- former US ambassador to Iraq Edward Peck, who worked for Reagan. So Obama's claim that the pasted together video of selected clips creates a distorted picture of Wright seems quite plausible to me. ) This really caught my attention too. I think it is one more piece of evidence that the Hillary campaign sees everything in purely instrumental terms. They don’t really respect colleagues, or states, or voters as being intrinsically worthy of respect. Instead, they are treated as great and wonderful if they are currently voting for or supporting the campaign, and if they don’t they are trash or trivial. Michigan and Florida voters, for example, were treated as irrelevant until it looked like they might be strategically useful, and now Hillary is supposedly filled with concern for them.

Given this general HRC campaign attitude it is not surprising to me how many former supporters of the Clintons are abandoning them. in the absence of a true human bond and connection, loyalty is meaningless or makes you a sucker. Bill R seems like a decent human being who really struggled with his decision because of (what he views as) his genuine friendship with the Clintons. Obama also seems like a decent human being who has really struggled with the political fallout caused by his relationship with family friend Wright — but chose not to throw him under the bus. I respect both of them, without necessarily admiring either Bill R’s friends the Clintons or Obama’s friend and pastor Wright.

(By the way, if you look at the whole sermon from which the “chickens come him” comment is clipped it turns out Wright is actually QUOTING someone else — former US ambassador to Iraq Edward Peck, who worked for Reagan. So Obama’s claim that the pasted together video of selected clips creates a distorted picture of Wright seems quite plausible to me. )

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